I mentioned recently that I'd like to publish some conversations I've had on email recently. A friend of mine who has political views that differ from mine recently wrote a very long and thoughtful email to a group of our friends summarizing and defending his positions on various interrelated issues that we'd been discussing recently. Tonight I responded to 1 of his 5 sections, and I post it here with his permission.Date: Oct 30, 2006 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Presidential Powers discussion
I love it that you wrote all this, and I'd like to respond to all of it, but that's going to take a lot of time. Much respect for the effort it took, and for your desire to make a positive case for your side of important issues. I disagree with some of it, and I'd like to respond to all of it, but that's going to take a lot of time.
Tonight I'm addressing the part that I think is easiest to respond to, your 3rd section called "
Trying to bridge the gap to countries/cultures that hate us." As I've put this response together, it turned out that it took a lot longer than I thought it would, but all of my ideas flowed pretty easily as I'd done most of this analysis before. I think I've got a tight case here, but we'll see what you all think.
Your section 3 is fairly short compared to the rest, so I'll reprint it all here:
For my next trick, I would like to speak about trying to win the favor
of countries or cultures who do not like us, or who we piss off.
You've mentioned before that we should be more altruistic to win the
favor of other nations. Especially those who hate us or have
grievances. Well, here I would like to bring into discussion the
recent scandal involving the cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed
in the Danish newspaper. If we (America) were to try and use this
situation to our advantage, then it seems plain as day what we should
have done. We should have publicly spoken very harshly about the
decision to publish such insensitive cartoons. We should have
criticized the Danish newspaper's disregard for Sharia law and
proclaimed our own acceptance of such a proclamation of said law.
Now, I think its pretty obvious my point here centers around pleasing
Muslims around the world while keeping the freedom of the press.
Afterall, I wanted to see the cartoons to see what the fuss was about,
should I have been able to see them? This was/is an affront to
Muslims everywhere. And around the world, there were protests saying
that this was an Isreali and US plot to humiliate Muslims. These
cartoons were clearly an insult to Muslims, and here we are, not
listening to their gripes or making amends. And not only that, many
newspapers here in the States were reprinting those cartoons. How
much more insensitive can you get? We were rubbing salt on the wound.
So now we have angered even more Muslims and reinforced in their
minds that America is anti-Islamic, and all by just practicing one of
our most defining freedoms, Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the
Press. What's the long term answer to be found in this situation? I
think it's safe to say there isn't any one solution that will solve
all these cultural differences. Not even with a trillion dollars to
throw at the problem, but that doesn't mean we aren't trying to made
headway in extending our hands. Look at all the money we give to
Egypt, we influenced them to have democratic elections two years ago.
We don't get oil from Egypt, but here we are sending billions of
dollars to them to help stabilize their country and bring democracy to
its people. Why? Probably because they are an influential nation who
doesn't hate us too much, so that we can actually change some opinions
there.
plus:
Also, the whole Egypt thing, here's a link detailing a little about
what we're doing there.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0412/p07s01-wome.html Yes I know its
from the Christian Science Monitor website, but the facts are still in
there damnit!
My values, America's values, and Danish CartoonsFirst I'd just like to voice my own personal opinion about the Danish Mohammad cartoon issue, which leads into how I think the US should respond.
I strongly believe that the right to free speech should be jealously protected and staunchly defended. Voltaire is (falsely I believe) attributed with saying "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." I think that is the attitude a free country should have. People must always been given a safe environment in which to express their opinion, because suppressing the voice of dissent is a powerful tool for tyranny.
But there are situations where "speech" can and should be regulated, the classic example being you can't loudly yell "fire!" in a crowded room. We don't want to endanger lives with what people say, but we do want to allow people to voice their opinions. But it isn't as if the prankster's opinion is that there's a fire and he's being repressed from voicing an opinion.
I think that is what tends to confuse people on the Mohamed cartoon issue, is that peaceful, mildly pro-free-speech, aware people know that printing such a cartoon will lead to violence. But there is a huge difference between yelling "fire" and printing a cartoon, and that difference I think leads to very clearly different appropriate responses to each situation.
Yelling fire causes undue panic, which can result in harm, and it also could lead to a "boy-who-cried-wolf" effect of numbing people to the sound of alarms. Regulating such "speech" is acceptable because while it is a vocal deliverance, there is no actual content to that speech - it is simply a verbal act of violence. There's no opinion, no political commentary, no complaint, nothing. It is just vandalism. Yelling fire in a crowded place is condemnable.
But, drawing a satirical cartoon has a message. There's a political point, a criticism, being made, and violent reaction to it has one logical purpose - to silence that criticism. As a religion, Islam has built into it these mechanisms to silence opposition, calling for the death of anyone who insults their prophet. They might call it pride or honor or religious expression, but its only logical purpose is to stifle dissent. Islam is intolerant and repressive in this regard (as was Christianity in the middle ages, so I'd speculate that it could be possible for a similar liberalization of Islam to happen, where they start to see the more violent parts of the Koran as metaphors or something. Of course you know I think we'd all be better off if all religion was forgotten.)
Consequently, I condemn anyone who calls for violence in response to a peaceful expression of an opinion, including anyone who does it in the name of a religion. And I think that as a nation, one of our defining core values is freedom of speech. And so as a nation, we should uniformly voice our condemnation of violent response to an cartoon.
Similarly, I will never condemn someone for the act of expressing their opinion (except when they're loudly expressing their own opinion to drown out the voice of another - like protesters storming a stage recently at Columbia University. Or when they disrupt a quiet solemn occasion, like when the God Hates Fags people hold up anti-gay hate signs and yell nasty shit at military burials. Both of those groups have the right to express their opinions in some other way, just not in the manor they've chosen - a manor that interupts other people's rights. Muslims who call for violence in response to cartoons offer no opportunity for criticism of Islam. I think there are clear principle differences that make these cases unacceptable while other hurtful speech is acceptable, so if you think I haven't adequately made that case, please tell me why.) even if I find their opinion in poor taste. And I admire the courage of someone who has the courage to express a reasonable message even when they know it might bring unjustified violence in response.
Conflict ResolutionI'm pretty sure you're not saying that the US should have been condemning the Danish newspapers, but what you're saying is that if America is supposed to be out there trying to mend strained relations, than condemning the Danish and sympathizing with the Muslims would have been in line with that intention. Given my stance on free speech, I think the US would be dead wrong to criticize Danish papers for publishing those cartoons.
My general approach to conflict resolution is to find common ground. There is always common ground, and you really can't resolve any differences between people or groups unless you both start from the same place.
So you find a few quotes in the Koran about valuing peace or something, and then you say how Americans also value peace. Then you build a reasonable and logical case why, given the value of peace, violence in response to a cartoon is wrong. Then you say that America values free speech, but that doesn't mean we endorse every view that is allowed to be said, etc.
Reasonable, logical people would respond positively to that message.
Sad RealityOf course, there's no guarantee that people will be reasonable and logical, but you have to start there. If people refuse to respond reasonably, then they become a problem, and you have to figure out how to deal with them. (And one way you have to deal with them is to understand WHY they aren't being reasonable and logical, which I'll get to shortly.)
There's no guarantee that our message will reach people in its proper form. We''ll probably be quoted out of context and our position would be distorted. We'd say "we support the free expression of Danish papers" and they'd report "Americans hate Mohamed" and "America insults Islam." (But if a sacred tenant of Islam is that you kill people who say bad things about Islam, then the United States is and absolutely should be, against Islam. And we should say that, as should every other free country. And we should also say that if Islam would just drop that one part, we'd be cool again, at least on this issue.)
And yes, there is a reality that voicing a reasonable opinion is likely to make an insane person behave violently. But we can't live in fear of that, and we can't cave in to bullies. We're strong enough to stand up to such bullying. If ragtag colonists can stare down the British Empire, the free countries of the modern world can stare down some insane desert lunatics.
Beyond Common ValuesIf I read your views right, I think you probably agree with most of what I've said, and probably are agreeable to the part about finding common ground as a key to acceptance between different cultures. But a problem with stating that you share common values is that if what they see of you in the world doesn't fit with your message, they have no reason to believe you.
So, to use your Egypt example, what do Egyptians see of America? (I'm going to start speculating wildly here. If you don't think these speculations are reasonable, please explain why. Keep in mind I'm describing what people see, not necessarily what is real, although I think the people have very legit reasons to see it as reality. Some of these ideas are supported by the link at the end of your message.) They see American corporations working with the few rich Egyptians who own the oil fields to suck as much oil out of the ground as possible. They see that the vast majority of that wealth doesn't benefit the Egyptian people, instead going to a tiny elite class. They see us helping the rich controlling class to set up a sham of a democracy, with rigged elections that make it seem like they rule with the consent of the people, when everyone knows that it was all bullshit to begin with, and that the same people would stay in control. And they see that America is the most prosperous nation in the world, that we're fat and happy and drink a glass of refined oil with all our meals, oil that they break their backs working 12 hours a day to pump out of the ground and get paid only $5 a week.
They see us sucking up to the people with the oil, and spitting on the peasants. They see us oppressors and vultures and opportunistic greedy bastards.
I think there might be an important reason that the 9/11 hijackers were Egyptians and Saudis, and it is because those governments work with the US to do business that doesn't benefit the people of those countries. If you're in Saudi Arabia, and you're pissed about being poor and you think America is to blame because of all the stuff you see them doing, you probably think your only option to fight America is to join Al Qaeda. A pissed-off poor Iraqi who hates America could always join Saddam's army because they know Saddam hates America too (although pissed-off poor Iraqis are more likely to blame Saddam than America, in the Saddam era of course). So a person whose government doesn't represent him against a perceived oppressor is more likely to go the terrorist route.
[That's the end of my speculation about what's going on in a place like Egypt, an Arab country that we purportedly are "helping" or reaching out to bridge a culture gap, but that you could much more realistically/cynically make a case that all we're doing is trying to prevent the poor from rebelling against the rich and compromising our oil supply.]
I have this general idea that I haven't expressed much in these emails because I don't have it quite worked out yet, but the general idea is that uneven (more specifically uneven which is seen as unfair - you can say "fair" is subjective, but people more readily identify when they've been slighted than they identify when they've slighted others , so there's always going to be a disparity in perception of "fair") distribution of wealth, economic inequality is the main driver of most human tension (with religious ideology being a primary enabler - offering a way for otherwise good people to justify to themselves the bad things that they do - "kill the dirty infidel" is noble because you're defending the honor of god, instead of defending your right to profit from your nation's oil). Countries where anti-American sentiment is highest are probably countries where our "imperialist" international policy is harming local people, somehow perpetuating economic inequality, perhaps without most of America even being aware of it (not to mention that there is a positive relationship between poverty and religiousness).
The trillion dollar ideaGetting back to cultural differences, the reason I sometimes have juxtaposed spending a trillion dollars on a war vs using that money for undeniably humanitarian purposes is that you really can buy friendship in most cases. If you give water to a thirsty man, you become his friend. If you give food to a starving family, they love you. If you heal the sick and clothe the naked, you've got friends for life, assuming you don't proceed to rape their wives and burn down their homes. If you've crossed them in the past, they might refuse your aid, and you should respect that refusal and don't insist. But you help their neighbors if they accept it, and you help everyone else around them. And soon the hold-outs are fewer and farther between and more powerless, and hopefully their grudge doesn't last into the next generation.
There's some saying about how America has never had a war against a country with a McDonald's in it, or something like that. The point being that if you do business with people, you're much less likely to fight them, because fair economic transactions are supposed to create value - both sides win. So to the extent that we're out there internationally doing fair business where both sides win, we're generally going to make friends, or at least avoid making enemies. But if we do unfair business, we don't make those friends, and probably make enemies.
I've never said that we SHOULD have spent a trillion dollars on humanitarian aid, I've simply posed that we'd probably be better off if we spent the money that way than by fighting the war (but I'll address the Iraq war portion of your comments another time, so for the purposes of this discussion I'd ask you not to engage the merits of my comparison.)
So in regards to our cultural differences, the ones where finding common ground would be helpful in resolving, it is a lot easier to establish that common ground if we're conspicuously doing those people some good and aren't conspicuously doing them harm. You're a lot less likely to hate me for saying things you disagree with than to hate some random loudmouth for saying the same things, only because you know me and we have a history of being friends. We've had good times together, so you'll cut me a lot more slack than a stranger, and way way more slack than someone you're already prone to hating, like a fat chick wearing a yankees hat.
Some have pointed out that some forms of aid would be criticized as culturally inappropriate, as trying to advance some agenda, and I agree. You probably can't offer a starving Muslim a BLT and expect gratitude. But there has to be some kind of aid that they'd like. Give them clean water and penicillin and band-aids. Or give them pencils and math textbooks. Do your cultural homework and give aid that won't offend. Teach them how to build bridges or plumbing. And then you work the diplomatic side, offering incentives to government that is fair to its people. You be a good friend to the people of the country.
This isn't to suggest that winning the affections of different cultures is easy, but I think there is a reasonable way to proceed. There will be challenges along the way, and some of them will relate to other aspects of what you've written about. Hopefully my response to some of your other points will address some of these issues (like what if they just don't want anything to do with you and then they seem like they probably have nukes that they want to use.)
I'd conclude with a specific response to the problem you've identified, which I think summarizes this rant of mine. You wrote: "You've mentioned before that we should be more altruistic to win the favor of other nations. Especially those who hate us or have grievances." and then you went on to highlight problems with cultural differences related to free speech. I think we'd agree that sticking to our values in the face of opposition is the right thing to do. And hopefully I've shown that the relationship between altruism and cultural differences is that people are more inclined to peacefully resolve their cultural differences when they have a good relationship, and that altruism is a powerful first step towards establishing good relationships.
Peace.